Council on Foreign Relations panel on "How Does the War in Ukraine End?"

Charles Kupchan is not tailoring his language to give devoted New Cold Warriors a thrill running up their legs:

One is that this strikes me as a war that lies somewhere in between a vital national interest of the United States and a conflict in which we have very little skin in the game. It’s not a vital national interest because otherwise we’d have boots on the ground and we’d be talking about bringing Ukraine into NATO. Neither of those is happening, at least now. And as a consequence, we have to find that middle ground between helping Ukraine defend itself and a full-scale war between NATO and Russia. [my emphasis]

Whoa! It’s “not a vital interest” for the United States? He may start getting scolding responses from Timothy Snyder!

https://brucemillerca.substack.com/p/council-on-foreign-relations-panel