This was a follow-up to a previous meeting:
In fact, another secret European-Russian meeting took place in July: in Baku, Azerbaijan, as the authoritarian President Ilham Aliyev revealed. As a result, the talks apparently moved on to Vienna. In Baku, in addition to the chairman of the Gazprom supervisory board and close Putin confidant Viktor Zubkov, the chairman of the Presidential Council for Civil Society and Human Rights, Valery Fadeyev, was also present from the Russian side. Both are under heavy international sanctions. (1)It’s no surprise that such diplomatic talks are happening. And it’s not unusual for governments to use news of such conferences to send messages to other foreign actors and to test public and official reactions.
Britain and the EU countries are generally supportive of Ukraine in their war with Russia and have been all along, since the Russia occupation of Crimea in 2014, the low-intensity irregular warfare in the Donbas region that followed, and then the full-blown Russian invasion of 2022, which is generally taken as the beginning of the current Russia-Ukraine War. The military seizure of another country’s sovereign territory is an illegal act of aggression under international law.
I won’t recap here is spectacularly foolish, reckless diplomacy beginning with the Cheney-Bush Administration over NATO membership for Ukraine.
Major parts of the context are the EU and NATO, both of which require their members to maintain democratic forms of government. For some member governments over the decades, that has been a challenge. But the European members of both alliances do see democracy and the rule of law as a basic foundation for the success and survival of both alliances. T he EU has an Eastern Partnership program that provides Ukraine and other countries including Moldova assistance in bringing their countries into compliance with the minimum EU standards. And that in itself is a powerful incentive for those countries to aspire to EU membership, and an important means of enhancing the power of the EU itself.
The Russian objections to Ukrainian partnerships with the West have focused heavily on NATO rather than on the EU. NATO is a defensive partnership that of course still includes the United States, however unreliable the US now looks as an ally for its European partners. But it’s also important to remember that the EU has a mutual defense clause itself. So as long as Russia occupies part of Ukrainian territory, including Crimea, formal Ukrainian membership in either the EU or NATO would be highly problematic. Diplomacy can be very creative, but joining an alliance with a country that has significant parts of its territory occupied by Russia would be uncomfortably close to a declaration of war against Russia. The EU is not going to do that – though again, diplomacy can get very creative.
But the Russia-Ukraine War remains largely a frozen conflict. Both countries can very probably keep the war of attrition going for a while. It’s already gone on longer than the Firsst World War. But it’s at a tremendous cost to both sides. There are good reasons that both countries would see advantages in a stable armistice. And with the Western supplies of interceptor missiles running short while the US is also locked into a war with Iran with no near end in sight, Ukraine is more vulnerable to Russian missiles that are already doing some serious damage to Ukrainian infrastructure. But the most obvious barrier to a peace settlement is that it would have to involve assurances by the US on economic sanctions and various military issues.
And while the EU is still very much capable of diplomacy, we are seeing on a daily basis that the Orange Anomaly in the White House is not.
When we look at European options in grubby power-political terms, it’s a very safe assumption that European NATO allies have been very aware all along that not only was helping Ukraine an important deterrence measure. But also that a prolonged war like Russia is now having with Ukraine also weakens Russia in important ways. Obviously, Russian propaganda emphasizes that point about Western intentions, but it’s also an obvious factor to take into account. On the other hand, Russian experience in warfare the last four years and the expansion they have made in their military production capabilities during the war are not factors that work in favor of potential European adversaries of Russia.
However, I do think claims like the one made by Almut Rochowanski in a 2025 article are overblown, or at least unhelpfully vague: “It is by now clear that European leaders prefer the war in Ukraine to continue, that they fear peace (a “quick” one anyway), that many believe Europe is already at war and seem “gung ho” to turn it into a shooting war, and that they are obsessed with inflicting defeat on Russia.” (emphasis added) (2)
Military industries are inherently problematic in that they are dependent on public spending but as private corporations, they have maximum incentive to paint the most gloom-and-doom picture of the state of national security that they can to maximize defense spending and their own profits. Politicians very often find it much more convenient to tout the benefits of military spending for their own districts than to exercise critical oversight over military programs.
Yet as devastating as climate change is, no human activity does so much damage so far as wars do. Even in the middle of wars, the military budget and how the government manages it is a critical function that is often badly performed. Aaron Sobczak noted in a 2025 report that the Department of Defense “has failed every audit since it was legally required to submit to one each year beginning in 2018. In fact, the Pentagon is the only one of 24 federal agencies that has not been able to pass an unmodified financial audit since the Chief Financial Officers Act of 1990.” (3)
Anne Applebaum talks about the state of the Russia-Ukraine War in this interview just after 20:00, and about what kinds of things EU states are watching about potential threats from Russia, after talking about the latest Trump messes. She argues that Russia at the moment is not in any position to launch some kind of full-scale military action against NATO members. But Russia is arguably looking to make trouble for Europe where it can, including by promoting far-right parties and boosting xenophobic scares like the recent one over Moroccan immigrants in Ceuta, Spain. She also comments about that recent incident and who may have incited it. (Applebaum is not part of the Polish government but she is married to the Polish Foreign Minister. So she has incentive to be very mindful of how she describes such things.) (4)
(Near the end of the interview, supposed Never-Trumper Charlie Sykes smugly badmouths Michigan Democrats for voting for a left-leaning Democrat in the Senate primary. He’s basically promoting the Republican candidate. Applebaum is obviously reserved in her response.)
John Mearsheimer has started his very own podcast, as well as still giving lots of interviews. His first contribution was this one on the background of the Russia-Ukraine War. (5)
Notes:
(1) Sommavilla, Fabian (2026): Geheimtreffen in Wien: Europäische Diplomaten trafen Russen ohne ukrainische Beteiligung. Der Standard 08/07/2026. <https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000334664/geheimtreffen-in-wien-europaeische-diplomaten-trafen-russen-ohne-ukrainische-beteiligung> (Accessed: 2026-08-08). My translation from German.
(2) Rochowanski, Almut (2025): Europe’s Leaders Have No Strategy for Peace. Jacobin 11/27/2025. <https://jacobin.com/2025/11/europe-war-ukraine-strategy-peace> (Accessed: 2026-09-08).
(3) Sobczak, Aaron (2026): Report: Pentagon will likely fail audits through 2028. Responsible Statecraft 05/07/2026. <https://responsiblestatecraft.org/department-of-defense-audit-failures/> (Accessed: 2026-09-08).
(4) Anne Applebaum: “I Can’t Think of Anything More Corrupt”. To the Contrary … YouTube channel 08/08/2026. <https://youtu.be/0JqHtslRdv4?si=bWiPO8Kz9HTULWYK> (Accessed: 2026-08-08).
(5) Episode 1: Origins of the War In Ukraine. John Mearsheimer-Offensive Realism YouTube channel 07/30/2026. <https://youtu.be/0LmCveTM788?si=yu8nplEfDYkm9Eo-> (Accessed: 2026-08-08).


