He was already the author of two important political science books, Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism (2005) and Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War (1996).
Personal anecdote
Earlier this year I did a paper in German for a university history class on the bombing campaigns in Europe during the Second World War. And Pape’s book on strategic bombing was an important source, in which he elaborates the point he repeatedly makes today about how bombing of civilian areas of a country has by itself never in the history of aerial bombing produced a mass demand from the citizens of the country being bombed that their government should surrender to the enemy doing the bombing. Early military prophets of bombing that targeting civilian areas like Giulio Douhet had a remarkably strong and persistent faith that bombing civilian areas would cause public support in the enemy country to collapse, and quickly. To this day, all the evidence to the contrary – i.e., the absence of any instance where that actually worked – there are fools like the US Secretary of “War” Pete Hegseth who have a devout faith in that happening.
In my paper, I cited a passage from Pape saying that British post-World War One experience with colonial bombing in Mesopotamia (Iraq) was an inadequate model of a punishment campaign – i.e., bombing targeting civilians - because it was used on an underdeveloped society. The professor noted on my paper that this seemed to be a disparaging characterization. I explained to her that in my German translation I actually had cleaned up what Pape said in the 1996 book and showed her Pape’s statement that the British bombing campaigns there had been “small campaigns over relatively minor issues against primitive peoples with no means of defense [which] had limited relevance to a future European war.” [emphasis added] (1) She was surprised to see the “primitive” description used in a scholarly book as late as 1996.)
Pape’s view of current political violence attitudes in the US
Pape is an actual expert on war with Iran. He was also a student of Über-Realist John Mearsheimer, whose commentary I often cite as frustrating but more often than not correct. So he also uses a “realist” approach to international affairs.
But how he defines the problem of actual and potential political violence in the US is notable for its seeming illiberalism. He wrote in 2025, “the greatest source of danger [of political violence] comes from a cultural clash over the nature of the United States’ identity - one with profound implications for who gets to be a citizen. Its key actors are not isolated radicals but large numbers of ordinary Americans.” (2)
He also writes there:
The country’s fight over its national identity has multiple dimensions. But the most serious is demographic change. In 1990, 76 percent of the U.S. population identified as white. In 2023, the U.S. Census Bureau put that figure at a little over 58 percent. By 2035, the share is set to fall to 54 percent; a decade later, it will dip below 50 percent. These changes have led to rising anger among conservatives, many of whom see increased ethnic diversity as an existential threat to their way of life. These voters have embraced Trump and his nationalist movement, which promise to stop such change in its tracks. Trump’s exclusionary policies and rhetoric have, in turn, prompted a ferocious backlash from liberals, who embrace demographic change—or who at least fear that conservative success will cost Americans hard-won freedoms. [emphasis added]We could also say very accurately, there are xenophobic a******s like Stephen Miller and Elon Musk out there, and the Republican Party – especially but not only Donald Trump – has engaged in shameless, dishonest fear-mongering over that issue.
Before I comment further on Pape’s arguments, I want to mention two other excellent books dealing with political violence by the seriously under-appreciated journalist and author, David Neiwert: The Age of Insurrection: The Radical Right’s Assault on America Democracy (2023) and the earlier And Hell Followed With Her: Crossing the Dark Side of the American Border (2013).
Despite Pape’s claim that there is more-or-less equal acceptance of “political violence” on both “the right” and “the left” in the US, the actual practice of domestic terrorism or directed, planned violence over some political causes has come from the far right for decades in the US. Trump’s fantasy claims (lies) about “antifa” burning down Portland and similar nonsense, the organized violence connected to political causes including immigration is coming from people who understand themselves as far right, and who pretty much everyone else would consider to be far right.
In The Age of Insurrection, published in 2023 after the January 6 insurrection but before Trump’s second successful run for the Presidency, Neiwert describes how Rush Limbaugh, a rightwing commentator who was very influential in turning the Republican Party into the Trump cult and making “owning the libs” more important to Republicans than any single concrete policy goals, responded to the mass violence of January 6:
Right-wing talk-show host Rush Limbaugh-who, more than any other cultural figure, could lay claim, as the person who had fed seditionist rhetoric to them for three decades, to being the godfather of the insurrection-took to the airwaves the day afterward, comparing the rioters to the Founders. "We're supposed to be horrified by the protesters. There's a lot of people out there calling for the end of violence," he said. "A lot of conservatives, social media, who say that any violence or aggression at all is unacceptable regardless of the circumstances. I am glad Sam Adams, Thomas Paine, the actual Tea Party guys, the men at Lexington and Concord, didn't feel that way." (He also suggested that the violence was actually the work of "Antifa and Democrat-sponsored instigators" in the Capitol and "a coup launched in the office of Barack Obama four years ago.")He ends the paragraph on a Biblical note: “Limbaugh died of cancer a little over a month later.”
Self-styled Constitutional patriots in the Republican Party expressed themselves as follows:
Republican politicians and pundits, following Limbaugh's lead, came to their defense, labeling them "political prisoners." Five Trumpist members of Congress-Matt Gaetz of Florida, Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Louie Gohmert of Texas, and Paul Gosar and Andy Biggs of Arizona, all of whom (not coincidentally) had voted against accepting the Electoral College count on January 6-held a press conference outside of the Justice Department, denouncing the detention of the "political prisoners," on the same day that the House's January 6 committee opened its hearings. Gosar called on Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the ACLU to investigate the treatment of Capitol rioters.There is simply no parallel on the Democratic side of US politics to this kind of defense of violent and murderous militias. And unless we take Trump’s present-day fantasy about violent “antifa” groups running wild in the US, there is no similar activity on anything remotely like this scale on anything that could be reasonably called “the left.” The closest the Democratic Party comes to stuff like this is Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer solemnly declaring that he’s sent President Trump a “strongly worded letter.” A Threads user using the handle trenthasthoughts posted this:
Shortly afterward, three of them - Gaetz, Greene, and Gohmert - went to the D.C. detention center and demanded to be let in, but were turned away. "We're in totalitarian, Marxist territory here," Gohmert told reporters. "This is the way Third World people get treated."
In other words, Both Sides Do It doesn’t come close to describing the current situation.
Is there widespread support for political violence in the US?
Here is a clip of Pape on Breaking Points with Ryan Grim talking about political violence (3):
Pape in the clip above warns that the 2026 election “is likely going to be the most dangerous election of our life” – not in the sense that he expects major violence to occur at polling places, but rather because of the possible violent and treasonous reaction of the losers, who are very likely to be the Trumpista Republicans. I haven’t yet received a copy of his book. But he says that his work includes detailed research from the last five years, and included reviews of all the January 6 criminals who
One possible occasion for violence on Election Day itself could arise if the Trump regime illegally sends federal officials like the FBI or the ICE Gestapo into local polling places and local officials send the police to block and/or arrest them. The ICE goons don’t receive anything like the level of training that municipal police typically receive. So a violent confrontation with them would likely not work out well for the ICE Gestapo. We could even see leftwing, pro-democracy protesters carrying “Support Your Local Police” signs if it comes to that. (I’m only half-kidding there!)
Pape is the director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats and comments in the video clip above that he has worked with US security officials, including on advising on sting operations. In other words, he could be considered kind of a “narc” on this issue. Ryan Grim evens jokes (?) to him at the end that “I did not know you were a fed.”
But, like his academic mentor Mearsheimer, Pape is worth listening to even when he’s irritating.
Here is a September 17 presentation he made on his work on political violence and what he calls “violent populism,” which he uses to the phenomenon of “extremism” moving from “the fringe to the mainstream.” A definition that includes terms on which there is not widespread agreement on their precise meanings: populism, extremism, fringe, mainstream. For the Trump and his cult, all those opposing Trump are Communists and “extremists.” For the cult followers, ranting about sex-change operations on minors – which are illegal in all 50 states of the US and therefore a non-problem there – is “mainstream.” While supporting laws prohibiting racial or gender discrimination in employment is “fringe” for them.
Pape talks about some of these definitional and polling problems in this talk (4):
One concern with Pape’s analysis is that his formulations sometimes sound as though increased diversity in and of itself leads to political violence. This is an argument made by far right parties in Europe, and also by way too many European conservatives who are looking for a reason to pander to the far right rather than challenging them directly on the hate-filled nonsense.
What does “support for political violence” mean in the US in 2026?
Pape in other podcasts has estimated that there are up to 30% of the American public who support political violence. There’s good reason to be leery of such estimates.
For one thing, “political violence” is a broad category. This year is the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence that continued the American Revolution already under way by then. Very, very few Americans who are not radical religious pacifists would say that it was wrong or sinful or whatever for the patriots in 1776 to fight violently against the British king, his royal army, and the Prussian mercenaries (“Hessians”) they hired to fight against the democratic and national-independence revolution of that time.
On the other hand, it is common as dirt to hear US conservatives – even ones without white hoods or Patriot Militia jackets – argue that the Second Amendment to the US Constitution guarantees a right to armed rebellion against the government. This is a completely ahistorical reading of that Amendment. No government is going to declare a right for its opponents to overthrow it. Political and moral arguments for an armed revolt would have to come from somewhere else. (William Hogeland has done a number of blog posts on the history of the 2nd Amendment.)
For that matter, even if we assume the 2nd Amendment actually does mean what the rightwingers say, an actual violent revolt would have to adopt some kind of justification, e.g., the January 6 attack on the Capitol using “stolen election” and “Trump said do it” and “Hang Mike Pence” as particular justifications.
In other words, “political violence” is a vague and concept, as is the notion of what “support” for it would mean. A PNAS (National Academy of Sciences) paper from earlier this year addresses the difficulties of polling on it, raising cautions like this: “supposedly significant public support for political violence [needs to be reconciled] with minimal actual instances of violent political action.” (5)
The study also finds that “ambiguous survey questions cause overestimates of support for violence.” Are the respondents thinking about retroactive approval for the American Revolution, or about blowing up statues of public figures they don’t like?
They also found in the studies they analyze:
Prior survey questions force respondents to select a response without providing a neutral midpoint or a “don’t know” option. This causes disengaged respondents … to select an arbitrary or random response. Current violence support scales are coded such that four of five choices indicate acceptance of violence. In the presence of arbitrary responding, such a scale will overstate support for violence. Across all four studies, we show that disengaged respondents report higher support for violence. [emphasis added]They estimate that the studies they examine very significantly overstate how many people in the US express explicit support for political violence:
Depending on how the question is asked, we show that the median of existing estimates of the public’s support for partisan violence is nearly 6 times larger than the median of our estimates (18.5% versus 2.9%). While recent political events show that extreme political groups are willing to engage in violence, these groups are likely to overlap with the narrow segment of the population who already support political violence. As policy makers consider interventions designed to dampen support for violence, our results demonstrate that support for violence is not a mass phenomenon, indicating that antiviolence measures should be appropriately tailored to match the scale of the problem. [emphasis added]I’m looking forward to reading Pape’s new book and will most likely have more comments after I’ve done that.
Other articles on Pape’s research:
(Book Review) Everything You Know About Political Violence Is Probably Wrong. Wired 09/22/2026. <https://www.wired.com/story/book-excerpt-political-violence-robert-pape-our-own-worst-enemies/>
Steimer, Sarah (2026): Why the Normalization of Political Violence Changes Everything. University of Chicago Dept. of Political Science 09/02/2026. <https://political-science.uchicago.edu/news/why-normalization-political-violence-changes-everything>
Pape et al (2024): The Political Geography of the January 6 Insurrectionists. July 2024. <https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/3C59F4E94F90B63F0E80A86DFB487D01/S1049096524000040a.pdf/political_geography_of_the_january_6_insurrectionists.pdf>
Notes:
(1) Pope, Robert (1996): Bombing to Win: Air Power and Coercion in War, 62. Ithica: Cornell University Press.
(2) Pape, Robert (2025): Our Own Worst Enemies: The Violent Style in American Politics. Foreign Affairs Nov/Dec 2024, 141-151.
(3) Professor Pape DIRE WARNING: Most Dangerous Election In History! Breaking Points YouTube channel 09/24/2026. <https://youtu.be/HUtpmQ3j_NQ?si=IsNpwgwFRGDz1a2M> (Accessed: 2026-27-09).
(4) The Iran War and the Most Dangerous Elections in our Lifetime featuring Robert Pape. Pitt-Institute of Politics YouTube channel 09/28/2026. <https://youtu.be/M9KxJ7LrjU0?si=1l5e3QG2Gd2hkPTx> (Accessed: 2026-09-30).
(5) Westwooda, Sean et al (2026): Current research overstates American support for political Violence. PNAS 119:12 02/02/2026. <https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2116870119> (Accessed: 2026-27-09).





